SubscribeMinetest status update and other things
I just noticed we’re already having some ass-hurtery in the comments section of “I’m alive!”:
#1:
You are an idiot
work on minetest you dumbass thats the only thing that you can you loser
#2:
It’s stupid to pause it before 0.4 is released.
I will definitely not continue it, because I do not really know C++ and have a 3D RPG (indiedb.com/games/kelgar) to work on.
Aren’t people lovely? 8D
We’re currently missing kahrl, and I have no idea where he’s gone. A few days back I went onto #minetest-delta and sorted out new release requirements of Minetest 0.4.0 here:
http://minetest.net/wiki/doku.php?id=roadmap:must_do_for_0.4.0
Latest commits of minetest and minetest_game:
https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/commits/master
https://github.com/celeron55/minetest_game/commits/master
The community seems to be more and less changing all the time, but one thing prevails: Those who are able to do stuff are always busy with other things, and those who don’t have the skills always have time. 8) Well, gotta live with that.
In other news, here’s a wiki page I made about the possibility of making Minetest dual-licensable commercially:
http://minetest.net/wiki/doku.php?id=dev:commercial_licensing
It will probably not happen, but I’ll give it a go.
If you are more interested in developing Minetest given the possibility of dual licensing, go and add yourself on the list of interested people.
May 23rd, 2012 at 17:45
Please don’t do the commercial licensing, to have a free alternative to minecraft is great, and most other alternatives I’ve tried stink. I like having this option, and eventually being able to help(at least I hope so I’m planning on learning c++) I don’t think would be truly possible if this license thing came about…..
May 23rd, 2012 at 17:53
milleja46: commercial dual-licensing has no effect for anyone, except that if it exists, then those wanting to sell closed-source stuff based off Minetest (actually, those who want to *reserve the possibility of doing that*) will also be interested in the project, and will possibly contribute useful code into Minetest.
May 23rd, 2012 at 18:37
I did not understand. minetest then you leave?
(Ps. blame google translator)
May 24th, 2012 at 00:21
Celeron55 wont be leaving, he is just looking into ways of having a closed source license for anyone interested, the game will still have the usual free open source license.
May 24th, 2012 at 00:25
I say go for it, with one caveat: Such a license should contain some kind of early termination clause, where if the person wanting said license doesn’t do anything useful with the code and contribute something useful back after, say, a year or two, the license should expire and require renewal. That would help prevent “code squatting”, so to speak.
May 24th, 2012 at 06:35
I do not like that idea. Why? Because a lot of people contributed to minetest and you (or few major contributors) should not get profit from somebody’s else work w/o their permission. If you want to change licence or sell the code, you have to get a permission (in written form?) from _every single_ contributor or throw their work (code/textures/sounds) away. All this license-related stuff is hard for me to understand so I would prefer just not to “touch” it. It will not give adequate money, but may result in a lot of problems with law.
// I hope, everybody here understands my “english”.
May 24th, 2012 at 11:03
powder96: What you’re saying is that profits wouldn’t be reasonably distributed if that would be done by SLOC count. That’s just wrong and you are being selfish.
I know that getting permission from all contributors is required. But there has been so little useful contributions lately that it wouldn’t hurt at all. I’m the only one doing any major stuff anyway. Commercial licensing might make people more likely to contribute major things, but that is not the point of it.
The point of commercial licensing is SOLELY that many people won’t touch Minetest because there is NO WAY in selling closed software based on it. Even if they are 99% sure they won’t, the 1% will make them not touch Minetest. GPL is too strict.
May 24th, 2012 at 11:42
Celeron55, Minetest will be a fee? We’ll must to buy the game?
May 24th, 2012 at 12:00
John: No. But somebody could buy a non-exclusive license for making a closed-source game based on Minetest. It’s not possible currently, and some developers are afraid of that.
May 24th, 2012 at 12:38
Celeron55, Anyone can now take Minetest and start selling it. And it will be legal.
May 24th, 2012 at 12:41
John: It will be illegal unless all source is released under the GPL.
May 24th, 2012 at 12:50
celeron55,
You can not sell the code of the program.
But you can sell a link to download the program.
People will buy a link and it will be legal. So many do now.
May 24th, 2012 at 13:14
That is how you sell GPL software, yes. But some people don’t trust the ability to make money that way, because it is legal for people to share the program freely with others once they buy it. That is the problem.
May 24th, 2012 at 13:26
Just do not pay attention to others.
May 24th, 2012 at 13:41
I need to, because it is in my greatest interests to have as many capable developers spend as much time as possible on the project. Because that makes it go forward.
May 24th, 2012 at 14:00
I just wish I was a capable developer to be able to help….I’ve never had much luck learning c++ for some odd reason….
May 24th, 2012 at 16:36
minetest is a great game but needs to be OPEN SOURCE!
May 24th, 2012 at 17:51
Sorry for being harsh, but I was really angry about your blog post..
What’s about merging the weather fork from TeddyDesTodes?
https://github.com/TeddyDesTodes/minetest
And what’s about making trees grow up to 8 blocks? This gives the world a more natural feel and is very easy to do.
May 24th, 2012 at 18:16
YOU ARE NOT STUPID! YOU ARE A GENIUS THAT CREATED THIS GREAT GAME! ALL YOUR EFFORTS, THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY, WHY DID YOU DO? We thought ALL IN YOU AND WHAT YOU HAVE DONE? PDO ONLY 2 LEFT … YOU HAVE THE OFFENCES YOU MUST BE A TOUGH!
May 24th, 2012 at 22:34
I’ll leave it up to you guys to figure it out. Just don’t ruin Minetest.
May 25th, 2012 at 15:03
@kddekadenz – ive already done seasons in lua, what does weather add? ( i also tried adding rain and slow, but lua entities arent up to the task)
I too find the licensing thing a little confusing – bottom line, is there always going to be a free minetest? are we just talking about paid forks, paid patches, ? I cant speak for other modders but i dont write mods for paid games.
Though perso. i dont think its the profit motive (or lack thereof) that prevents people from working on the engine. C/C++ isnt something you pick up over the weekend, god knows ive tried lol but there’s also the fact that c/cpp features are being removed and re-implemented in lua, well that might discourage people from writing c/cpp code that might be taken out in six months :-S And i remember you asking the guy who made a fork with clans and portals to re-implement his features in lua.
I think the best path is to keep expanding the modding api. more functions, more access to world data, perhaps another drawtype to get the imagination flowing, uhm, lua entities are horridly slow (i have 2gb ram and a new gfx card). If it wasn’t for the new function minetest.after, (my) seasons would have been near impossible to implement, so expanding the API does give room for more innovation :-)
May 25th, 2012 at 17:42
@mauvebic:
The weather branch is written in C++, and therefore does not use any lua entities.
May 27th, 2012 at 14:06
are the forums down? ive been getting this: http://www.zimg.eu/i/4073034952 for 3 days :-/
May 27th, 2012 at 15:17
The forums are indeed down and I can’t do anything about it currently. Hopefully they’ll be up again in less than a week or so.
May 28th, 2012 at 04:04
Forums just jumped. (up and down)
May 28th, 2012 at 22:22
Do with license what do you want, but don’t close sources ever.
By the way, I sent to Celeron55 a Belarusian translation of Minetest, but I do not see it on github. I have to download the source code included the translation to the test and doing improvements to finish it. Can you include it, please?
I’m really looking forward to version 0.4, and I want see it in Belarusian too =)
Excuse me for my English.
May 30th, 2012 at 18:51
I translated it into kyrgyz language via Launchpad.
June 13th, 2012 at 15:50
ok, if i understood right there will be one gpled version and one under commercial license?
June 19th, 2012 at 11:49
Hello, I would like to spirit up you. Minetest is a great game, much better than Minecraft, of course Minecraft have more functions but is’s a set of buggs in “cripple” language …
Discusion usually leads to better soulution, but you allways find assholes (especially on the internet where you can not see them face).
Keep in good work please.
July 22nd, 2012 at 00:35
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