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19/11:19< celeron55> hmm, it looks somewhat dead everywhere regarding to this
19/11:22< celeron55> won't stop me from doing stuff though! altough i'm still kind of waiting for final input from marktraceur's part
19/11:38< celeron55> I added a quick link to the MinetestWiki:TODO page on the main page, so that people have at least some chance of finding it 8): http://dev.minetest.net/Main_Page
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19/13:05< celeron55> some discussion going on on minetest-dev about this at the moment, in case people are interested in following: http://irc.minetest.ru/minetest-dev/
19/13:06< SiegeWizard> guys, this is so quiet, let's get this started
19/13:18< john_minetest> I am just writing the article about IRC.
19/13:21< celeron55> i added a link to a Community page on the main page
19/13:21< john_minetest> finished the article
19/13:21< celeron55> IRC and such can be linked in there
19/13:22< SiegeWizard> link john?
19/13:22< john_minetest> http://dev.minetest.net/IRC
19/13:23< SiegeWizard> nice and clear
19/13:23< SiegeWizard> gj
19/13:24< john_minetest> thx :)
19/13:28< SiegeWizard> first registered forum account?
19/13:28< SiegeWizard> celeron?
19/13:32< john_minetest> look it up in the forum!
19/13:33< john_minetest> :D
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19/13:37< SiegeWizard> done
19/13:39< SiegeWizard> could anyone help with a git tutorial?
19/13:39< SiegeWizard> I have my account created and the app downloaded and installed propperly
19/13:39< SiegeWizard> next step?
19/13:41< john_minetest> I am writing an article about github
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19/13:49< john_minetest> The article isn't complete yet. It's not easy to describe the layout of GitHub.
19/13:58< SiegeWizard> any help is apreciated
19/13:59< SiegeWizard> link to a 0.1 version of the article?
19/14:08< john_minetest> http://dev.minetest.net/GitHub
19/14:08< john_minetest> It is 0.2 now.
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19/14:18< celeron55> re-post from #minetest-dev: i wonder if this is going to the right direction http://dev.minetest.net/Engine_structure
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19/15:15< SiegeWizard> i dont really have taken that deep into the core engine so can't tell u
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19/16:00< rubenwardy> I am doing the "How_to_communicate" page. Nobody edit it yet please
19/16:02< john_minetest> Okay. GitHub and IRC pages already exist, links to them: http://dev.minetest.net/GitHub ||| http://dev.minetest.net/IRC
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19/16:21< rubenwardy> http://dev.minetest.net/How_to_communicate
19/16:22< PilzAdam> I have done minetest.sound_play() and added an example to sound_stop()
19/16:36< PilzAdam> how can I specify the language of the <source> tag?
19/16:37< sfan5> iirc <source=lua>
19/16:37< PilzAdam> doesnt work; I need bash
19/16:38< sfan5> <source lang="bash"> maybe
19/16:39< PilzAdam> yea, that works
19/16:46< PilzAdam> http://dev.minetest.net/GitHub#How_do_I_use_GIT.3F
19/16:46< PilzAdam> what do you think?
19/16:46< sfan5> +1
19/16:47< PilzAdam> will do a Use GIT for development now
19/16:47< sfan5> but i would suggest using git:// urls
19/16:47< sfan5> oh, and you could use git pull too
19/16:47< sfan5> it basically does the commands listed there
19/16:48< PilzAdam> oh, I forgot about that
19/16:49< sfan5> but there could be an "updating your fork" section
19/16:50< rubenwardy> http://dev.minetest.net/GitHub should also tell them how to set git up
19/16:50< kaeza> PilzAdam, you should also clarify a bit where the git commands are to be invoked. For example, git clone is to be used from the directory on which you want the source subdirectory to be created, while git fetch/merge should be from inside the subdir
19/16:50< sfan5> what you need to do: git fetch upstream; git merge upstream/master; git push; cd games/minetest_game; git fetch upstream; git merge upstream/master; git push
19/16:51< rubenwardy> Talk about the meaning WRT Minetest ?
19/16:51< rubenwardy> "Talk about the meaning WRT Minetest "?
19/16:51< sfan5> kaeza: you can also use: git clone git://github.com/celeron55/minetest .
19/16:51< kaeza> sfan5, yeah
19/16:52< kaeza> that should also be done from within the subdir
19/16:52< kaeza> (inside the source dir)
19/16:53< sfan5> right, i just wanted to point out that it doesn't have to be done from thze dir you want the minetest folder in
19/16:57< PilzAdam> http://dev.minetest.net/GitHub#How_do_I_use_GIT.3F updated
19/16:58< PilzAdam> oh, wait there is a conflict
19/16:59< PilzAdam> done
19/16:59< PilzAdam> added some comments
19/17:07< kaeza> PilzAdam, +1
19/17:14< kaeza> can I add a "see also" section with related functions?
19/17:14< PilzAdam> where?
19/17:14< kaeza> in some method doc
19/17:14< kaeza> +s
19/17:14< sfan5> http://dev.minetest.net/GitHub#Update_your_own_fork_using_GIT
19/17:14< sfan5> thoughts?
19/17:15< kaeza> now doing minetest.get/set[bool]
19/17:15< kaeza> and minetest.conf
19/17:16< kaeza> sfan5 that is not needed if you used git clone IIRC
19/17:16< PilzAdam> added a "Use GIT for development"
19/17:16< PilzAdam> <kaeza> can I add a "see also" section with related functions? <- yes
19/17:16< kaeza> ok
19/17:17< PilzAdam> sfan5, move the "Update your own fork using GIT" under "Use GIT for development"
19/17:17< sfan5> kaeza: its about Forks of minetest, you need to update them this way because the origin is different
19/17:17< sfan5> PilzAdam: ok
19/17:17< PilzAdam> "Use GIT for development" explains how to set up your own fork
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19/17:21< PilzAdam> sfan5, do you edit the GIT article right now?
19/17:21< sfan5> i'm done editing
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19/17:23< PilzAdam> should "Coding a feature" be after "Update your own fork using GIT"?
19/17:24< sfan5> no
19/17:24< sfan5> IMO
19/17:25< PilzAdam> k
19/17:28< PilzAdam> kaeza, adding examples isnt a minor edit
19/17:28< kaeza> oh ok
19/17:28< kaeza> but it was just a one-liner
19/17:29< kaeza> hmm
19/17:29< kaeza> nvm
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19/17:31< kaeza> PilzAdam, is there a tag for <source> to specify conf file syntax?
19/17:31< kaeza> (or at least plain text mode
19/17:31< kaeza> )
19/17:33< PilzAdam> this are all allowed languages: https://gist.github.com/4573189
19/17:34< PilzAdam> "text" seems to be what you want
19/17:34< kaeza> ok thanks
19/17:34< PilzAdam> <source lang="text">
19/17:37< Cybersoft> Do you think it would be helpful to you if I posted some beginner general questions in here so you would see what kind of information a beginner might be looking for?
19/17:37< PilzAdam> write them into a pastebin
19/17:40< john_minetest> I think, the git documentation should be seperated from the github article.
19/17:42< PilzAdam> yea, good idea
19/17:45< Cybersoft> I think the questions would be better on a wiki, so you could edit them
19/17:45< Cybersoft> no?
19/17:45< Cybersoft> you can't change a pastebin
19/17:46< PilzAdam> maybe add a new section here: http://dev.minetest.net/MinetestWiki:TODO ?
19/17:49< SiegeWizard> I go to study and the GIT article gets a revamp, nice :)
19/17:51<@marktraceur> Oh good, I'm on time!
19/17:51<@marktraceur> Hello all!
19/17:51< PilzAdam> hello
19/17:52< SiegeWizard> hello
19/17:52<@marktraceur> So it looks like everybody's already starting, which is awesome.
19/17:53< SiegeWizard> the one edditing git article: http://dev.minetest.net/GitHub#Updating_the_Fork the merge comand is wrongly spelled, i think
19/17:54< PilzAdam> no
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19/17:55<@marktraceur> So, the first thing I'd like to know
19/17:55<@marktraceur> Who wants to work on what?
19/17:56<@marktraceur> I know some of you are modders, some of you are players, some of you know C++
19/17:56<@marktraceur> But what does everyone here feel passionate about writing for?
19/17:56<@marktraceur> Or maybe you even prefer copy-editing? Maybe you want to help provide images?
19/17:58<@marktraceur> If you're already going nuts on articles as we speak, no need to answer me, I don't need to guide you anywhere :)
19/17:58 * PilzAdam knows the Lua API and GIT very well, and a bit of the core
19/17:59<@marktraceur> PilzAdam: Good to know, we can use you for the Git article, then
19/17:59<@marktraceur> PilzAdam: Let me know when you'd like to create that
19/18:00< PilzAdam> I already did a tutorial in "How do I use GIT?"
19/18:00< Cybersoft> here: http://dev.minetest.net/MinetestWiki:TODO#Potential_questions_from_a_new_developer . I added some questions from my perspective
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19/18:01<@marktraceur> PilzAdam: Where is that?
19/18:01<@marktraceur> Cybersoft: Thanks!
19/18:01< PilzAdam> http://dev.minetest.net/GitHub
19/18:01<@marktraceur> Cybersoft: I saw those questions, they seem useful
19/18:01<@marktraceur> Cybersoft: Do you think you could help answer those, actually?
19/18:02<@marktraceur> PilzAdam: Probably the git stuff should go in the Git article
19/18:02< Cybersoft> I'm very new here, but I already some partial answers for 2-3 of them
19/18:02< PilzAdam> marktraceur, yea, someone already suggested that
19/18:02< PilzAdam> I thought he/she would do it
19/18:03< PilzAdam> I will move it now
19/18:03<@marktraceur> PilzAdam: Also, you can call it git or Git, it's not an abbreviation
19/18:03<@marktraceur> PilzAdam: Or at least, I've never seen it spelled GIT
19/18:04< Exio> who did the "IRC" page?
19/18:04< PilzAdam> it was spelled like this in the header
19/18:04< Cybersoft> PilzAdam: you thought I would answer those questions?
19/18:04< PilzAdam> no, that was to the Git thing
19/18:05< john_minetest> Exio: I made the IRC page
19/18:05<@marktraceur> Exio: Why do you ask?
19/18:07<@marktraceur> Cybersoft: Where do you think those answers should go?
19/18:08< Cybersoft> Project overview or something like that for most of them
19/18:09< Exio> For asking if my change "is correct" or anything
19/18:09< Cybersoft> The big question a new developper would ask is: what technology do I need to know to contribute and is there an overview of the code somewhere (class diagram, use cases, uml, etc...)
19/18:09< Exio> Maybe someone knows other way for saying what I said in a better way :)
19/18:09<@marktraceur> Cybersoft: So maybe an article like "How to start contributing"
19/18:10< Exio> damn
19/18:10< Cybersoft> and Project Overview ;) I think you need to know what the project is and what the needs of the project are before you can contribute
19/18:10<@marktraceur> Exio: What change did you make?
19/18:11<@marktraceur> Cybersoft: Well, I guess you could also make or edit a page called simply "Minetest"?
19/18:11< Exio> added hexchat, nothing moree
19/18:11< Exio> more *
19/18:12< Exio> I just wonder if i spell it correctly, English isn't my native language and i suck at it
19/18:12< Cybersoft> So if I understand you would like me to make a wiki article with those question and find a good name for it right?
19/18:12<@marktraceur> Exio: You absolutely do not suck at it :)
19/18:13<@marktraceur> Cybersoft: I gave you a few good names, but if you don't like them, then yeah, come up with something :)
19/18:14< PilzAdam> http://dev.minetest.net/Git
19/18:14< PilzAdam> comments?
19/18:16< Cybersoft> http://dev.minetest.net/Project_Overview
19/18:16< Cybersoft> You already have a how do I contribute section so I might move some questions there
19/18:17< PilzAdam> this should be somehow moved: http://www.minetest.net/wiki/doku.php?id=contrib
19/18:18< PilzAdam> especially the "Coding Style" part
19/18:18 * marktraceur will be back shortly
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19/18:19< Topywo> Hi
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19/18:24< Cybersoft> hum, whats the name of the first registred minetest account on the forum?
19/18:25< sfan5> celeron55?
19/18:25< sfan5> you can lok that up on the user list
19/18:25< sfan5> +o
19/18:28< Cybersoft> I understand that you need the source package of irrlicht to compile minetest, linking against the .lib and .dll will not do (even on windows) right?
19/18:29< sfan5> you don't need the source of irrlight
19/18:29< sfan5> -g
19/18:29< sfan5> *irrlicht
19/18:29< kaeza> can somebody revise this: http://dev.minetest.net/minetest.conf
19/18:30< kaeza> should I also document the variables there?
19/18:31< PilzAdam> g_settings could be documented there
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19/18:40< Topywo> kaeza, you wrote that? Looks good. Maybe you can add a line like this: Settings can be copied from the mintest.conf.example file. ?  So you don't need to write down all the variables?
19/18:41<@marktraceur> All right, back
19/18:41<@marktraceur> Topywo, ShadowNinja, welcome
19/18:42< Topywo> Thanks, welcome back
19/18:42< kaeza> Topywo, thanks, but it was just a few tweaks here and there.
19/18:42<@marktraceur> I rather foolishly went out last night, so I'm fighting the effects of that as we speak
19/18:42<@marktraceur> But does anyone need anything?
19/18:45< Cybersoft> I started project overview, but I can't provide complete answers to most questions
19/18:46< Cybersoft> gunzip -cd .gz | tar -xvf -   can't believe I still remember that
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19/18:48< john_minetest> For what is this command?
19/18:49< john_minetest> unpacking tar.gz?
19/18:49< Cybersoft> err that was for #minetest, sorry
19/18:50< Cybersoft> yeah, it gunzip to the stdout so you have to use a specific switch with tar to take the input from stdin
19/18:50< john_minetest> tar xfvz minetest.tar.gz
19/19:02< Cybersoft> I'm outdated on linux...
19/19:08< celeron55> hmm, i guess not many have access to the main page
19/19:08< celeron55> if somebody has some idea of what to do to it, shout it out
19/19:08< celeron55> (i can edit it)
19/19:24<@marktraceur> celeron55: I have sysop on the wiki so I can do it too
19/19:32< Cybersoft> celeron55: I think project overview would be a good article for the main page once/if it is completed
19/19:32< Cybersoft> since I arrived yesterday evening I'm not really in a position to answer those questions I posted
19/19:37< Cybersoft> Would that be a good point to make in the doc: "Others that can do something don't seem to want to because they can't experiment with the only working copy we have :-/ Tho the general idea is if you can fork, add your features and have em run smoothly, it will be merged into main."
19/19:37< Cybersoft> especially the latter part
19/19:38< Cybersoft> ie: if you want to contribute features, fork and make it work and if it work it will probably be merged into main
19/19:39< SiegeWizard> cybersoft
19/19:39< SiegeWizard> i find the project overview too focused on graphics
19/19:42< Cybersoft> Feel free to modify it, it's just a draft of questions I have as a newcomer and I'm leaving soon :(
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19/21:05<@marktraceur> All right, have most people fizzled out? Did anyone need any help with anything?
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19/21:14<@marktraceur> I'm running through and editing the pages, thanks to everyone who contributed!
19/21:14<@marktraceur> I'll be around for the remainder of the time, working on things
19/21:16< PilzAdam> marktraceur, the IRC channels in "IRC" could be links to the webchat maybe?
19/21:16<@marktraceur> Probably so
19/21:16<@marktraceur> PilzAdam: Care to set up a template for that?
19/21:16<@marktraceur> There's a good template for it on mediawiki.org, if you want to snag it from there
19/21:18 * PilzAdam never used templates before
19/21:20<@marktraceur> PilzAdam: Just create a page in the Template namespace (e.g. Template:IRC) and then use it by doing {{IRC|#minetest}}
19/21:20<@marktraceur> I could also do that part if you'd prefer
19/21:22< PilzAdam> I guess I can figure that out
19/21:24<@marktraceur> It looks like the MW one uses some parser functions we don't have on this wiki
19/21:28< PilzAdam> it automatically creates a link to irc:channelname in the wiki
19/21:28< PilzAdam> should I edit the template?
19/21:30<@marktraceur> Yup
19/21:31<@marktraceur> Make it so it works right :)
19/21:32<@marktraceur> thexyz: Can you enable subpages in the Template namespace?
19/21:32<@marktraceur> thexyz: Maybe also in the main namespace, actually
19/21:32<@marktraceur> FYI, https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgNamespacesWithSubpages
19/21:33< thexyz> done
19/21:33<@marktraceur> Thanks
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19/21:41< PilzAdam> marktraceur, done
19/21:41<@marktraceur> Sweet.
19/21:41< PilzAdam> http://dev.minetest.net/IRC
19/21:42<@marktraceur> PilzAdam: Awesome.
19/21:42<@marktraceur> PilzAdam: Any idea what the first section here is saying? http://dev.minetest.net/Engine_structure
19/21:42<@marktraceur> NMPR is not something I've ever heard
19/21:42< PilzAdam> NetworkMultiPlayerRelease I guess
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19/21:44< PilzAdam> Its a realease where Minetest has the main features implemented but was quite little
19/21:44<@marktraceur> It's true
19/21:44<@marktraceur> But we don't use that term in normal parlance, to my knowledge
19/21:44< PilzAdam> s/little/small
19/21:44<@marktraceur> My point is, should we remove it?
19/21:44< PilzAdam> it makes the article readable
19/21:45< PilzAdam> i think we should leave it in
19/21:51< celeron55> i had to make up some term to make it easier to talk about it
19/21:53< celeron55> it's the first time anyone even talks about it, so it is quite obvious nobody has heard it
19/21:56< celeron55> i am going to write that page quite in the style of this: http://www.aosabook.org/en/index.html
19/21:57< celeron55> the pages might be needed to move around a bit to make the contents match the titles better, but it's a later problem
19/21:58<@marktraceur> celeron55: Hey, so, question
19/21:58<@marktraceur> celeron55: http://dev.minetest.net/MinetestWiki:TODO#For_the_core_engine
19/21:58<@marktraceur> celeron55: What should I (or someone) put in [[Translation]]?
19/21:59 * marktraceur imagines there might be an existing documentation for this, though maybe incomplete
19/21:59< celeron55> we don't have an existing procedure for that, and i am not very familiar with gettext
19/22:00< PilzAdam> AFAIK nobody has suceeded in translate Minetest with gettext
19/22:00< PilzAdam> *succeeded
19/22:01<@marktraceur> Hm.
19/22:02< celeron55> basically
19/22:02< celeron55> you run util/updatepo.sh
19/22:02< celeron55> umm... before that, you need to somehow make it know that you want a certain language
19/22:03< kaeza> PilzAdam, I got running minetest with custom spanish texts made by me
19/22:03< celeron55> umm^2... well then you edit po/<something>/minetest.po
19/22:03< celeron55> and then you should be done
19/22:03< kaeza> celeron55, it seems util/updatepo.sh is called automatically by the CMake-generated tree (at least for Makefile targets)
19/22:04<@marktraceur> celeron55: Maybe you need to set a locale env?
19/22:04< celeron55> to see minetest in some language, you set the locale
19/22:05< celeron55> in some way
19/22:05< celeron55> i don't seem to have any other locales than finnish and english installed so i can't test the ones minetest has
19/22:05< celeron55> something like LANG=de_DE.UTF-8 bin/minetest
19/22:06< celeron55> or LC_ALL or LC_MESSAGES
19/22:06< kaeza> LANG
19/22:06< kaeza> the main problem is on Win, where users don't bother to set LANG at all
19/22:06< celeron55> somebody has to test all this and document what works
19/22:07< kaeza> (or don't know how actually)
19/22:07< celeron55> (for the translation wiki page)
19/22:09<@marktraceur> Anyone have some interest in doing that? kaeza?
19/22:09< kaeza> marktraceur, maybe
19/22:12< kaeza> marktraceur, where should the page go?
19/22:12<@marktraceur> kaeza: http://dev.minetest.net/index.php?title=Translation&action=edit&redlink=1
19/22:13< kaeza> ok
19/22:13< kaeza> thanks :)
19/22:13<@marktraceur> kaeza: If you just want to outline it and give the commands etc., I would be happy to fill it out with prose
19/22:14< kaeza> ok
19/22:17< PilzAdam> marktraceur, s/based on the popular game Minecraft/inspired by Minecraft,Infiniminer, etc./
19/22:18< PilzAdam> "based on" sounds like its a fork or something
19/22:18<@marktraceur> Done
19/22:18<@marktraceur> Oh, inspired by
19/22:20< kaeza> coming soon: Minecraft, based on the popular game Minetest, etc :)
19/22:20< PilzAdam> Minecraft now has seprate texture files too
19/22:21< kaeza> yup
19/22:21< kaeza> heard about that
19/22:21< PilzAdam> its just a question of time when they call it default_dirt.png ;-)
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19/22:21< kaeza> hehe
19/22:24< kaeza> marktraceur, on a similar topic, I think we should expose some kind of translation API for mod developers, but that's a story for another time.
19/22:25<@marktraceur> Not a bad idea
19/22:26< kaeza> It's weird to see UI is, say, spanish while mod messages/UI's are in english
19/22:26< kaeza> in*
19/22:27<@marktraceur> Yeah
19/22:29< kaeza> marktraceur, should I make the Translation into some kind of "How to" page?
19/22:30<@marktraceur> Well
19/22:30<@marktraceur> You could make a tutorial page for new translators
19/22:30<@marktraceur> Mostly my hope was to document what we have first
19/22:33< celeron55> i guess i could make a proposal of a mod translation api (i have already had something in mind)
19/22:33< SiegeWizard> I understand that you want to get the language from the computer running minetest
19/22:34< celeron55> not the full thing, but i think i know how the lua - engine interface should work
19/22:34< SiegeWizard> but i think that a simpler aproach with a config variable taht could be changed from an inside menu would be easier and simpler
19/22:35< SiegeWizard> and will get the whole work done
19/22:35< SiegeWizard> K.I.S.S. rule
19/22:35< celeron55> SiegeWizard: gettext already does that automatically
19/22:35< celeron55> the "use a library for complicated things" rule 8-)
19/22:35<@marktraceur> SiegeWizard: Sure it's simple if you're only looking at Minetest, but if someone has two such softwares that allow i18n, then they need to use two options. Not simple.
19/22:35< SiegeWizard> well gettext needs to be specified in which lenguage you want him to translatre the sentences
19/22:35<@marktraceur> One option for infinite software is better than infinite options.
19/22:36< SiegeWizard> im not offering ot change gettext
19/22:36< SiegeWizard> i use it for myself in some webàges application, or at least similar libraries to gettext
19/22:37< SiegeWizard> what i understood from you previous chats was that you were trying to obtain the language from the computer
19/22:37< SiegeWizard> is that sentence correct?
19/22:38< celeron55> that problem is already solved by libraries we use
19/22:39< celeron55> it's a non-problem
19/22:49< kaeza> marktraceur, something like this? http://dev.minetest.net/Translation
19/22:49< kaeza> (note: still editing)
19/22:54<@marktraceur> kaeza: A good start
19/22:56< kaeza> k
19/22:57< kaeza> I'm looking at other details I can add
19/22:57< kaeza> my wording is not very good :P
19/22:58<@marktraceur> Heh
19/22:58<@marktraceur> kaeza: I can edit it whenever you're ready for me to do so
19/23:06< thexyz> note: minetest is named minetest, not minetest-c55
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19/23:19< kaeza> marktraceur, just a bit of rewording http://dev.minetest.net/Translation
19/23:19< kaeza> and added note about the -DENABLE_GETTEXT
19/23:19< kaeza> err
19/23:20< kaeza> shameful typo
19/23:20< kaeza> it's USE_GETTEXT
19/23:21< thexyz> nope, it's ENABLE_GETTEXT
19/23:22< thexyz> USE_GETTEXT is set by cmake
19/23:23<@marktraceur> kaeza: Sweet, can you say anything about how to contribute a translation? Maybe link to that page?
19/23:24< kaeza> marktraceur, hmm...
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20/00:00< kaeza> marktraceur, http://dev.minetest.net/Translation#Contributing_a_new_translation
20/00:00< kaeza> sorry, but I lack a little verbosity :/
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20/00:12< Uberi> ooh I like the new main page
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20/00:14< Uberi> o/
20/00:14< Kacey> its funny because i can barely do lua haha
20/00:15< Uberi> Kacey: maybe write about how to use Git to download certain mods/minetest?
20/00:15< Kacey> ?
20/00:15< Uberi> I was planning to do that but I have 6 of my 8 page report done
20/00:15<@marktraceur> ++
20/00:15<@marktraceur> Kacey: There's a page on git, you can expand it to include some tips about downloading mods and the engine
20/00:16<@marktraceur> Kacey: You could also make pages for different mods, that might be pretty simple
20/00:16< Kacey> hit the download button and extract haha
20/00:16< PilzAdam> and rename
20/00:16< Uberi> and if that doesn't suit your style, you can definitely write about how to use IRC/forums to ask questions
20/00:16< Uberi> or maybe troubleshooting, like renaming carts-master to carts
20/00:16<@marktraceur> Kacey: Unless you want to use git to download, in which case it's more complicated
20/00:17< Kacey> perhaps ill hit some troubleshooting
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20/00:22< Uberi> I'll be back when I've finished my essay and report
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20/01:48< Uberi> I'll just leave this here... https://github.com/Uberi/MineTest-API/wiki
20/01:52< kaeza> night everyone.
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20/09:36< Vogarth> Hello
20/09:36< Vogarth> Any developers here?
20/09:38< Vogarth> Anyone awake here?
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20/10:43< celeron55> marktraceur: i think the main wiki page is bad; it's very hard to find the relevant stuff when you know what you are looking for
20/10:44< celeron55> i would strongly prefer simple lists of topics that are not inside some forcedly added blah blah
20/10:45< celeron55> actually, it think those can co-exists; i'll just add the previous content to the end
20/10:45< celeron55> -s
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20/10:48< celeron55> why doesn't it even tell what the purpose of the wiki is
20/10:48< celeron55> it looks like only an advertisement
20/10:48 * celeron55 not approves
20/11:16< celeron55> added stuff to it 8)
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20/12:40< celeron55> this is done for now: http://dev.minetest.net/Core_Architecture
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20/12:47< kahrl> hey
20/12:47< kahrl> I suppose I'm late for the sprint? Meant to be here a few hours ago but completely forgot about it :P
20/12:47< kahrl> although I suppose I could say I live in Niue
20/12:48< kahrl> are there logs for this channel?
20/12:58< celeron55> see log of #-dev too; there aren't any from here, except if i publish my personal logs
20/12:58< celeron55> guess i'll do that
20/12:58< kahrl> already read most of -dev